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Some Christians believe that the rapture takes place at the Seventh Seal. Others believe it takes place at the Seventh Trumpet. If the Seventh Seal coincides with the Seventh Trumpet, both can be true.
December 10, 2016 – 6:45 am
If the seventh seal coincides with the seventh trumpet, maybe the the other seals coincide with their respective trumpets
December 7, 2016 – 11:37 am
The first resurrection and the rapture of the Church at the second coming of Christ occur at the Last Trumpet. A great multitude will appear in heaven when this happens.
The great multitude appear in heaven after the sixth seal, immediately before the seventh seal is mentioned.
The seventh seal is mentioned almost in passing immediately after the great multitude appears in heaven. When the seventh seal is opened, there is rest in heaven for “half an hour”. Not much else is said about the seventh seal and then Revelation moves on to describe the angels with the seven trumpets.
It is quite likely that the great multitude appearing in heaven is linked to the seventh seal being opened.
The second coming of Christ, therefore, coincides with the sounding of seventh trumpet, the opening of the seventh seal as well as the rapture of the Church and the first resurrection.
If the seventh trumpet coincides with the opening of the seventh seal, then could the other trumpets coincide with their respective seals? ie the first trumpet coincides with the first seal, the second trumpet coincides with the second seal, third trumpet – third seal etc.
This would surely be very neat and glorious and would certainly “preach well“, but is it true?
Are there any Bible verses that would confirm or deny that this is true?
Certainly, the events of the first trumpet (hail fire and blood burning up a third of the Earths trees and grass) are not incompatible with the appearance of the Antichrist in the first seal. The events of the second trumpet (a mountain ablaze killing a third of the sea creatures and ships) could be associated with the second seal being opened – war. The events of the third trumpet (a third of the fresh waters of the Earth turned bitter) could be associated with the third seal – famine. The events of the fourth trumpet (a third of the sky is darkened) could be associated with the fourth seal being opened – death. The events of the fifth trumpet (those with the mark of the beast are tormented for 5 months) could be associated with the fifth seal being opened – martyrs. The events of the sixth trumpet (a third of mankind is killed by 200,000 mounted troops) could be associated with the events of the sixth seal being opened – signs in the sky. And the events of the seventh trumpet (the rapture and the first resurrection) probably are associated with the the seventh seal being opened – the great multitude appearing in heaven.
While there do not appear to be any conflicts or major objections to the seals and trumpets being synchronous, other arrangements of the seals and the trumpets are possible. (see below)
The seven bowls of God’s wrath are part of the seventh trumpet and would also coincide with the seventh seal.
If the seventh seal is coincident with the seventh trumpet (as both are linked to the second coming of Christ), then it is unlikely that the trumpets simply follow the seals.
If the seventh trumpet is coincident with the seventh seal, it is likely that the other trumpets precede the seventh seal. The trumpets and the seals could, therefore, be synchronous. ie when a seal is opened, a trumpet is sounded
When Christ opens the seventh seal, the seventh trumpet sounds, the Children of God are revealed, Christ returns to redeem the Church and resurrect dead Christians. There is rest in heaven for half an hour and then Christ returns with an army of believers to strike down the nations as the seven bowls of Gods wrath are poured out.
- Whenever a seal is opened, an angel announces it with a trumpet.
- This should serve as a warning to those who know what to look for.
- Mankind has a chance to repent even after the sixth trumpet is sounded.
- Once the seventh trumpet is sounded, it is too late to repent, the church will be raptured and the dead believers resurrected. God will pour out his wrath on the nations who are left behind
- God’s wrath and the judgment on the Nations follow the sixth seal.
- The seventh trumpet brings with it God’s wrath.
- The seven bowls are God’s wrath and are part of the seventh trumpet.
- Here all the trumpets are coincident with the seventh seal and the bowls are coincident with the seventh trumpet.
- Thus the the seventh seal, the seventh trumpet and the seventh bowl coincide with the end of the age.
- Here the trumpets are spread out but not synchronous with the seals.
- The seventh trumpet almost coinciding with the seventh seal.
- The bowls are spread across the last three trumpets.
In non of the above, do the trumpets and bowls follow sequentially after the seventh seal.
November 30, 2016 – 9:30 am
The Seventh Trumpet
15The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”
16And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying: “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.
18The nations were angry, and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
19Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.
From here we can see that the seventh trumpet (which is also the last trumpet) signifies the end of the age. The kingdom of this world has become the kingdom of our Lord and his Messiah and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The nations were angry for now had come the time for judging the nations on earth who are alive. (The dead outside of Christ are not resurrected until after the millennium at the Great White throne – this is the second resurrection or the pagan resurrection)
The judgment of the nations occurs at the Battle of Armageddon which is also part of the seventh trumpet.
The seventh trumpet is also the time when the believers dead and alive will be rewarded for the things that they have done in the body.
The last trumpet is of course the time when Christ returns and the time when the rapture and the first resurrection take place.
The seventh trumpet must span a period of time (possibly 75 days = 1335-1260) but the rapture occurs instantaneously, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, as soon as the trumpet sounds.
The seventh seal and the seventh trumpet appear to be synchronous or co-incident events as they are both connected to the rapture, the first resurrection and the second coming of Christ. They both seem to herald the end of the age.
November 30, 2016 – 9:25 am
Revelation 7:9 – 8:2
The Great Multitude in White Robes
9After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
11All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”
13Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?” 14I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.
16‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat. 17For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’ ”
When the great multitude in white robes appears before the throne in heaven, it means the rapture has taken place. This seems to follow the sixth seal but is not part of it.
Along with the sealing of the 144000 in the same chapter, the rapture of the great multitude is placed between the sixth and the seventh seal. When the seventh seal is opened, there is silence in heaven for about half an hour but there is no further description about what happens when the seventh seal is opened or it’s significance.
It is likely that the sealing of the 144000 Jews and the rapture of the great multitude are linked to the opening of the seventh seal.
In the literary style of Revelation, the descriptor follows the naming of the first six seals but with the last one, it is preceded by it’s descriptor. This is also the case with the trumpets.
The Lamb is the only one worthy to open the scroll which is more than likely a chapter in the book of life containing the names of the Sons of God. (there is also another chapter for the ungodly heathen pagan nations that is opened after the millennium at the Great White Throne) When the seventh seal is opened, the scroll is opened and the Sons of God are revealed. This seems to be the event that leads to the Great Multitude appearing in heaven as a result of the rapture and the first resurrection. This must also be the point that Christ returns to redeem the Church.
As soon as the seventh seal is opened, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, the seventh trumpet sounds and the dead in Christ are resurrected and the living believers are raptured to meet Christ in the clouds and so will remain with Christ forever.
18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
For creation waits in eager expectation for the Children of God to be revealed. Once the Lamb has opened the scroll which is a part of the Book of Life, the names of the Children of God will be revealed.
We should eagerly await for our adoption to sonship which co-insides with the redemption of our bodies.
April 9, 2015 – 1:50 pm
If the seventh seal is synchronous with the seventh trumpet, then the Little Scroll could well be the scroll that the Lamb is opening one seal at a time in Revelations 6:1-8:5.
The Great Multitude in white robes in Revelations 7:9-17 would, therefore, be the rapture of the Church at the Last Trumpet.
Could the Little Scroll be the same as the Book of Life? Once it is opened, those who are saved are resurrected or raptured to be with Christ in the clouds.
The Church is judged separately to the Nations (Pagans/Gentiles).
The Church is called up to be with Christ in the Clouds when the seventh trumpet sounds. They stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and are judged for the things that they have done in the body of Christ. At the same time, false christians in the Church are sent to hell by the angel in charge of the fire (Revelation Ch 14).
The pagans who have died are not judged until the end of the Millennium at the Great White Throne. Those who are alive when Christ returns will suffer the seven bowls of God’s wrath and will be separated into the Sheep (who were kind to God’s people) and the Goats (who persecuted God’s people). Some of these ‘Sheep Nations’ will be allowed to continue to live on Earth as the Nations during the Millennium.
Some Pagans (Gentile / Nations) escape the Lake of Fire and are allowed to spend Eternity as the New Nations basking in the Light of the New Jerusalem. They are even given the Leaves of the Tree of Life for healing and they are allowed to enter the New Jerusalem once a year. It therefore follows that these nations must not have accepted the mark of the beast as they were not thrown into the Lake of Fire. It also follows that their Names must be in the Lamb’s Book of Life as they are allowed to enter the New Jerusalem once a year. When they are judged at the Great White Throne at the end of the Millennium, if their names are not in the Book of Life they are thrown into the Lake of Fire.
The Book of Life must, therefore, contain the Names of Pagans who were not thrown into the Lake of Fire.
The Book of Life is opened once at the beginning of the Millennium to judge Christians and it is opened again a the end of the Millennium to judge pagans.
The Born Again Believers’ names are listed on the Little Scroll which is part of the Book of Life.
The Names of Pagans who are spared the Lake of Fire are listed on a separate scroll (let’s say it is called the ‘Big Scroll’) which is also part of the Book of Life.
The Little Scroll therefore contains the names of born again believers in the New and Old Covenant times. When it is opened the Believers get resurrected (if sleeping) or raptured (if alive).
The ‘Big Scroll’ contains the names of all Pagans who are spared the Lake of Fire and are destined to be the Nations in Eternity.
Both the ‘Little Scroll’ and the ‘Big Scroll’ are therefore pages or chapters in the Book of Life. They are a subset of the Book of Life.
Christ comes at the seventh trumpet to rapture the Church and raised dead believers to be with Him. Then God will pour out his Wrath on the Nations of the Earth dividing them into the Sheep and the Goats.
May 5, 2014 – 1:41 pm
The Harvest at the End of the Age. A Great Multitude of believers (Wheat) are raptured to be with Christ when he comes on the clouds at the Seventh Trumpet at the End of the Great Tribulation. This co-incides with the First Resurrection which is when dead believers (also wheat) are raised to be with Christ. False Christians (Weeds) are also harvested from the Earth at this time by an angle in charge of the fire and they are thrown in to Hell for eternal punishment. The Nations are left on Earth and are divided in to the Sheep and the Goats according to how they treated God’s people. Those that persecuted God’s people (the Goats) are thrown into the Lake of Fire. Those that were Kind to God’s people receive a reward. They will become the Nations on Earth during the Millennium and in Eternity if they do not rebel against God when Satan is released form his prison at the End of the Millennium.
As soon as the Seventh Trumpet sounds, the Church is removed from the Earth (Wheat and Tares). God then pours out the Seven Bowls of His Wrath upon the Nations (Pagans/Gentiles) of the Earth who will be “Left Behind”. The Seven Bowls of God’s wrath are the Third Woe and are part of the Seventh Trumpet.
August 26, 2012 – 8:54 am
The Church is Raptured in the Twinkling of an Eye at the Last Trumpet. As soon as the Seventh Trumpet sounds, the Church is removed from the Earth (Wheat and Tares). God then pours out the Seven Bowls of His Wrath upon the Nations (Pagans/Gentiles) of the Earth who will be “Left Behind”. The Seven Bowls of God’s wrath are the Third Woe and are part of the Seventh Trumpet. The Bowls are for the Nations not the Church. 144000 Jews will be Sealed and protected from His Wrath.
God wil separate the Nations into the Sheep and the Goats according to how they treated God’s People.
Zechariah Ch14 tells us that there will be some Pagans who survive Armageddon and go on into the Millennium as the Nations on Earth (Millennial Nations). The pagans that survive Armageddon must be taken from among the Sheep Nations as the Goats will go to Hell. The Pagans who survive the Battle of Armageddon will accompany the 144000 Jews into the Millennium as a reward and to fulfill God’s Old Testament Prophesies to restore Israel. During the Millennium, the church will reign with Christ in Heaven.
When the Millennium is over, The Bride will descend from Heaven to become the New Jerusalem on the Earth. Pagans will be resurrected and judged at the Great White Throne. Those whose names are in the Lamb’s Book of Life will become the Nations in Eternity. Those whose names are not in the Lamb’s Book of Life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire which is the Second Death.
When the Seventh Seal is Opened, we will know who will be in the Lamb’s Book of Life and who the Sons of God will be.
August 12, 2012 – 7:50 am
May 3, 2010 – 12:09 pm
The Seventh Seal includes:
Synchronized seals and trumpets. 1st woe = 5th trumpet, 2nd woe = 6th trumpet, 3rd woe = seventh trumpet (and the seven bowls therein)
March 21, 2010 – 1:32 am